Heyas, personally I feel that both Adobe Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro have enough differences and are individually BIG enough to warrant their own forums. And lets not forget that just because something is called the Photoshop Forum, that doesn't mean we can't discuss all the many, many other various products that work directly with Photoshop and are produced by Adobe, like Imagestyler and Premier and Illustrator and InDesign. Entire books have been written and rewritten on both; yes, there is enough learning and techniques and references to give these unique programs their own place. And heyas, I do agree with the fact that we certainly do need a Painter Forum. An awsome program with sooo many hidden attributes!! ~3DSprite