What to say ?? - well you need more than one minute to find Poser - wow - that was slow :o). In fact I can get everything in the net, Lightwave, Maya, Bryce, Truespace and more than a lot of things from DAZ ... to find them is really easy if you're even a little bit in the warez-business :o( But - should I download them ?? Despite the illegality of such doings it is also a question of morality (hope that's the right word for - maybe honour - but that's a to strong word in my eyes). You're right geep - there are people earning their money with it - they sit hours, days and sometimes years in front of their screen, just to make this and that maybe usefull for someone. So - is it wrong when they want money for that ? - I think we all agree in that if I say "No, it is not wrong to get paid for work". Is it wrong to "steal" that work by simply copying it ? Well - viewed from this POV - yes, of course. Viewed from another POV (btw: that means point of view) this isn't so easy to answer - Would Microsoft have become that great if everyone would have used (and is still doing) all their products legally - hmmm, I don't think so. Another POV is that someone might not be able to buy Lightwave or Maya - so he simply "steals" it ... It is interesting that companies never asked where this guy or girl learned to use Lightwave, Photoshop or whatever - the fact is - he, she needs to know how to use it. Because he, she needs also to feed his/her family. So - I for example don't mind if someone gives his/her kid or a good friend in the neighbourhood for example a copy of my CD I'm selling - but someone must also know where is the point to stop. You see, this whole situation is not so easy and I really do understand both sides. So stealing is one thing. Making something available to steal from another something different. All this peer-to-peer software makes it easy nowadays to "share" Software (what a nice wrong word for this actions). But we can't change what had happened and now we have to live with it and maybe everyone has to learn that "sharing" is wrong. Barbaranelly: I advise you to have an eye on your kids action with the computer ... that's another ongoing problem - the kids use to know more about this "funny calcultating machines" than the parents. Sometimes the parents don't know what their kids are doing until someday (I believe that day will once come) the police knocks on the door and is asking what all these burned CD's in the kids rooms are for ... Another thing is allowing teenies to surf without parental advise ... You thing I'm wrong ... hey go to www.google.com and type in the word "sex" or this f-word (please be sure when clicking on the links your child is not aside you). Oh - I could talk hours about these things - because I'm also mad about it, but we all can't change this - the only thing we can do is not to do such things - how hard it'lll ever be ... Just some minor thoughts of mine Schlabber