Despite the liklihood of incurring the scorn of others, I make the following admission, my first copy of Poser4 came from a warez site. I am not a professional, other than as a hobbyist, I had no reason to buy POSER. At that time the demo version didn't allow me to really explore the way POSER worked. For what it's worth I also found a warez copy of Zygote's millenium woman. That being said, and my credit card statements can attest to this fact, I have since bought the full version of Poser, Poser Pro Pack, Daz's Vicky, Vicky2, Mike, Mike2, Millenium Girls, Millenium Boys, and more stuff from DAZ & Renderosity than I would really like to admit. I've also bought a variety of support programs, i.e. CR2EDIT, Raydream Studio, etc, as well as subscribing to Poserworld and Catharina's website. There really wasn't much of a moral dillema for me. I used the "warez" version as kind of a "super-shareware version" and I used it only until I realized that I really liked working with POSER. I was perfectly willing to pay for the full version once I discovered that I liked fooling with POSER. I wasn't willing to spend a couple of hundred bucks to end up with a program that I couldn't use, wasn't really to my taste, or really didn't have the interest in using other than as a passing fancy. I've got more than a few programs that I've purchased, and because of strict return policies and prohibitions, I'm stuck with them. I'm anxiously awaiting POSER5 and have toyed with the idea of getting Bryce or Vue D'Esprit. (I really like the difference that a high quality render engine can make). The images that I've done are relatively primitive and amateurish when compared to a lot of the work here, however, I still enjoy working with POSER, and I really wouldn't have ever been exposed to all this if I hadn't downloaded that first warez copy.