heyas; thanks, guys. no luck working with it today, either. i think vue decided it hates me, now. i went to the one-before-the-messed-up-one scene... fixed two things, tried to render an area to check them.... and it rendered hella sloooooow, all grinding my hard disk. it never used to do that. not even when i was working on this scene before. :/ i did ctrl-alt-del the nav32 thingy, but apparently there are other hidden norton things going on. i'll see about taking those out, too.