FWIW I didn't like the textures site that awful much. it opened too big for my desktop 1024X768, however, I just came from a peek at The Attic and I really love it! :) Johnnie, you did an awesome job with the frames and flash. (I normally don't like flash). I'm also not a fan of frames but this is well done and appealing to me also. I also like Dreamweaver a lot but have been using NetObjects MX of late. Congrats to both of you on the link from DAZ, too! :)