Exactly my point, Lyrra. Am I complaining about non-framed sites? I made several of those too. I do not compare, I do not criticise other people's work in that way. A site is a site... and btw, you can bookmark ours normally, only you have to pass the frontpage... so? The intro can be skipped also, so there's no need for people with slower connections to complain either. Another thing is that you can't satisfy everyone and especially with scripts nowadays. But I used scripts that meet the standards of W3C and I can't help it if people don't update their browsers sometimes. Technology does go on. Our site is not IE only, it works on almost every other browser. Of course you can run into a failure, but at least report it to us or the webmaster of another site. But seriously, say all you want about the site, but it works! And that's something that we can be proud of, I think! :-) Chilled out, although I never got chilled in the first place, :-) Johnnie...