Thanks for our newbie recognition ron, I fooled with Poser for weeks and achieved zilch! Discovered Renderosity and this forum a fortnight ago while on holidays. Have been addicted since, each morning I hit this site first to see what's new. I design scrollsaw patterns with CorelDRAW and got into Poser only to produce silhouette poses, ha! LOL!, very sidetracked with all the inspiration here. This community shares its techniques, advice and creations willingly with newbies, without putting us down. Thanks Old-timers we do appreciate your help and encouragement. Tommy.