To Kayleb: Thanks for the advice: I got Asia last week and I love her. Only setback is: now I need a faster computer: on an Athlon 800/512 Mb it talkes ages to render, and my new computer (Athlon XP 1800/512 DDR Cas2) has quirks, so I sent it back to the store, and when they sent it back to me the transport company lost it. So now I wait 2 months already and it will probably take another 3 to 6 months before I get it back as it has become an insurance matter.... :-0 To kbade: I looked at Billy T's site a few weeks ago and he also has the form files