Incidently, here is the first hair I did with the cylinder inside the cylinder system, I overlay them so there is in effect 4 layers everwhere. I also suggest that the hair be applied twice if it looks at all thin, scalling up the second ona couple of percent, which gives you 8 layers. I gave up on the shell system quite early in the game, my experments along that line were a dead end for me (well, not compleatly a dead end, the Freestuff "Strip hair" was the end product).