thanks terri, i don't really know what i was after either. i was really trying to get it done in ten minutes, and after that passed just as quickly as possible. so i cut a lot of corners. but i agree, it really does look like a clay monster. perhaps if he had more detail in the modeling or if the texture was finer (like on the arms and head which i scaled down ... they don't look as clay-like) well whatever. thanks for the compliment though. -scott