Well well if creating textures or making the simplest of props to enhance a concept/picture is not art then why do we get the art snobs and you can put all the know alls that have been mentioned here, raving about the turner priz. Example of what the trendy artist has given the criticts to rave about A room that as you enter the lights turn on and off. A garden shed with a bike a spade and other bits & bobs that you would find therein. Oh what about the artist who exibited the contents of babies nappies, or diepers whichever side of the pond you dwell. If anything those are the people who are making art a joke, I use poser for my Art what i have spent on poser and bryce I have saved a fortune on model fees, although one of my models became my wife. I can get freebees now!! poser is a tool to develop artistic ideas. Many of the great artists would have taken the computer and the software to enhance thier portfoilio. As it hase been said if the Roland synth & cubase had been around in Mozarts time he would have used them. Barry Manilow uses a computer so I have read to arrange his songs , does it matter if he uses a $10000 program or a progam that came free with a monthly publication, it is the end result that counts. Sorry folks I just went on one there i think i will go and lie down in in a darkened room wearing my nice new white jacket with trendy wraparound sleeves with straps my wife has just bought me. gibber gibber Keep well folks