Alleycat169: Thanks for your reply. I agree many question are just a matter of learning more about Bryce. I have been using it since Bryce 2 and learn at least one new thing every time I use it. But that is kind of the problem, I want to use it to create something, not necessarily have a learning experience. Speaking of dial adjustments, how do you get rid of the curve that is in all tree trunks when viewed up close? Or what adjustments do you use to put a curve in a tree trunk (where you want it) or cause a bend in a tree trunk to make it look natural? These are the quality issues I mean. I feel Bryce has great potential, but so far none of the owners are willing to develop it. None of the other "more expensive" programs have some of the potential that Bryce does, particularly in landscape scenes. The lab concept is a great idea, but the tree lab as it stands is not worth much for making realist looking trees. Paul