I have to agree with Anzan. The flexibility of both Mike & Vicki is astounding. I waited for ages to buy either one. Then Mike 2 was produced, and I had to see what all the fuss was about. He was on sale, and I knew the price would never be better. Lemme tell ya! Just pulling him into a scene made all the difference in the world! New faces that used to take days to create in anim8or now took mere minutes to create on Mike. I was so impressed with Mike that I bought Vicki 2 as well. Love 'em both. And like Anzan, I just can't use the regular dork or possett any more. Since both Mike 2 & Vicki 2 come with a P4 body, all the clothes I've downloaded fit them, leaving me free to render while I save money to buy the custom clothes packs. Save up your pennies and invest in these models. If you're serious about rendering even as a hobby, you'll really won't regret buying either one.