Dez - I saw this in print ad in Computer Arts magazine. I can't see anything about it at the PCFormat site but then there was nothing about their next issue at all. There discussing it at the Cinema 4D forum if you want more info (http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12400&Form.ShowMessage=571711) I haven't seen TS2 on a cover CD for ages. The last Caligari give away was an 'SE' version of TS 3 but again that was a long time ago. Keep your eyes peeled though - you never know! K.