Okay...like, points taken...But do any of the rest of you get ims from folks with gaming sites...asking you to do stuff for them for free....Oh, pardon me...for the "exposure" from putting your stuff on their sites? That gets on my last nerve, doncha know...yeah...let me run on home and make graphics gratis for someone's site so folks can see 'em. As for asking for links to freestuff....Well, I totally need a wonderful model of a sailing ship...a tall ship sort of ship...really beautiful....I tried to model it myself, but, it came out sorta suckie...I asked for a link to one in the bryce forum. do i need to go to confession on saturday, for this infraction? maybe, it is not what you do, or ask for; but, how you ask. Just a thought Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!