Ok. I used the dials because I've produced some strange corkscrews without them. The only reason I'm back in posing is because the dials make it possible. I hate the way the manual ignors them. Half the time I'm zoomed in so far I can't see the cameras to move them physically anyway. I do have the patch-- first thing I did when I loaded the program. It installed kinda wonky-- I'm still working out of all the files in Metacreations folder, but the techs said that was ok. I think. I honestly don't know if I was able to move her with the Posing camera angle on, obviously posing camera wasn't chosen at the time. Because I was using every camera that wouldn't roll away to try to get her over there. I know I used the Main and the Dolly. It's just at the end I was in the right angle-- outside the patio, and what a trial it was to get out there-- and that was the posing camera. I'm at the end of my patience tonight or I'd go back in there and see. But the idea of saving her as a Cr2 sounds very very good. It was wierd doing x trans and having her and all the pillars move too. Another thought, the dials were occasionally-- how do I put this-- acting up? Occasionally, bend and in and out did the same thing, and it didn't matter if I chose shin or thigh the same body part moved. Undos disappeared or were changed to redos. I think, this might have been a memory problem. I went right from the web to Poser. I know IE has this inability to let memory go. Perhaps, I should have rebooted.