When I first installed the 405 patch, I got GP faults when moving the camera around. Updating my video card drivers seemed to help that problem out, but I have had vue crash much more often than it did before (with the 403 patch) It is more reminiscent of the trial version available at e-ons web site, which almost scared me away from purchasing it (it crashed very frequently). My biggest problem seems to involve materials. Does anyone else have weird crashes on certain materials? I also just had it lock up after adding a second terrain. All I had was a single terrain and a water plain. Adding the second terrain locked me out. (these weren't even big, 256x256). Oh well, I just blame MS. They seem to have enough bugs to go around. With the OS being so unstable, it's hard to know when it is software, and when it is the OS. (I can't reliably delete files, thanks to win ME. I gotta do that in linux, unless I want to wait for hours to get them all cleaned up). I would reinstall windows, but I would probably go back to 98 if I did. eric