Has anyone obtained any communication from Carrara about this thread? When I read a recent interview given by Antoine Clapper, it seemed that he was rather defensive toward the interviewer (who was a big Ray Dream fan) about certain add-ins (brushes, particles, etc.) which are fairly standard on most mid-range programs (under $850). The upgrade progress, as expressed by Clapper, sounded to me like there will be no input from the user base on his driven course. This can be either, good or bad. What part Eovia plays in all this (financial, wise) does not bring much confidence from my end. I don't feel good committing my time, to yet another program, that has talented individuals working on the program and the stability of the framework is non-committed...buying a program does not make it so. Just some thoughts. Phil