Thanks Hiram.... well said. But the only reason I looked back at this thread was because I thought about it all evening, and I just had to come back and make a comment that I know is going to get me in trouble with the regular gang.... I read the comments on this thread clear through, and while I see everyone's point, and how satisfying in the short run it might seem...I think the implication that it might be ok or even admirable to put any kinda virus or war program out on the net so that people "receive big trouble with NOT ONLY their system" just sucks. Sorry...but I just think that kinda action is never justified...esspecially if some other unsuspecting third party might get hit.....not when they do it for kicks,...and not because someone beatcha outta 20 bucks. I know not everyone'll agree...because, hey...it's "them"..right?..so fire the flames...:) Beav