I mentioned Star Office because they have both a Windows and Unix versions... never messed w/ Director before, but I know what it does, and it makes sense that CL would want that in their beta-testing. I doubt that avatars would be the way to go - and 3Danything on a web format (anyone else here mess with DHTML at the actual code level?) is gonna be a toughie. Netscape 3 came with a basic VRML component, but all you could do with it is travel clumsily around a great big "Letter N on a globe" on their 3d page. It also slowed down the 'puter by a huge margin. Unless the speed ('puter and modem) bottlenecks can be solved or circumvented, it'll be tough to really do all that much with any 3d-based web design. To Electric Aardvark: Hehehe - guilty as charged :) (for the record I prefer Red Hat, in spite of the fact that Caldera's HQ is literally right down the road from where I live.) I've grown past the zealotry though. I use Win2k on my laptop (Poser, Bryce, and some in-school apps), and Linux on my desktop (home router, games machine, data archive, 3D modelling, etc.) Heh - I'd already gotten onto Curious Labs about a Linux version of Poser, but it'll take time before I can nudge them in the right direction. I did get it to (sort-of) run under WINE (I've only managed one render on it without the thing blowing up on me), and Poser does use Tcl/Tk as well as Python scripting... both items being extremely compatible with Linux, since they both came out of Linux development efforts. I think CL is having problems with getting an *ix version of Quicktime going, IIRC - it's a rather vital part of Poser. I can run the QT player under WINE as well, but like Poser, it ain't the most stable thing I've ever laid eyes on; although QT Player does run much more reliably than Poser under those circumstances. /P