The other strange thing is how many of us seem to be on AMD chips, unless the Pentium 4 guys are holding back ;-) I mention this because all you seem to see advertised is Pentium 4 mahines, or Celerons for the low end. I built my own, I gather most of us did, rather that buy an already set up box. One downside of the faster AMDs though, they are really "hot chips", in both meanings of the word, and they do require a often very loud cooling fan, or several of them. I'd give up a little speed for a little less noise, P4s might be better choices that way. I think the newer AMDs are a little better than the ones like mine, though.