as long as I can remember as well, and thank you for the kind words regarding Jeff, Im sure he will appreciate them, I know I appreciate hearing you say them, its good to see people can appreciate someone for the work they do regardless of any personal feelings about them. And I have to agree with you, Jeff has been working here since the extremly early days of the PFO and has stuck with it through all of its various incarnations and staff changes. And its got to say something for his character as well. I know I rarely say it, but thank you also Jeff for being here for all of us. Ken