Thanks for the discourse guys. I'll make one more observation.... Outside the artist community, as in sporting goods retailing where I am, we understand that on a new product you'll make your mark-up in the beginning, then after awhile...it gets cheap. On sale..whatever...in this case..I guess it gets free. You guys are right..pointless to argue about it. I'm sorry I contributed to this carrying on, other than to return to my original thought, which was instead of telling them they're thieves, tell them they can't download it, and why. The old saying here is that locks are for honest people, they don't keep thieves out. Thanks for listening to me, and I'll try to pick less controversial threads from now on 'till I know some of you. Oh...and there wasn't anything wrong with anything gothgurl said...:) Beav