vibes30: If you read my text once more I'm sure you can see that I in general don't disagre with you when it comes to the role the cards have as I mentions some exeptions to the statment about what difference the card has but... As I said. If they are trying to use fancy OpenGL stuff then it should be an option to use that or the more basic OpenGL stuff that works an all cards. Just as you can select wire mode it should be possible to select a smooth shade whithout the fancy stuff. But the strange thing here is that even wire mode is extremely slow. Can you explain why even this minimum OpenGL mode works so bad. Or do you mean that it tries to display fog and atmospherics in wiremode to? And no. There is no fog or atmosphere in any of the OpenGL views in the compared applications. I think it's a nice ide of E_On wanting to give us that. But it SHOULD be an option if it only works on some card. As it is I (and probably the mayority of the users as I don't think many buys the dedicated stuff) have to chose from catastrophic uppdate times or no shading at all making the screen look like something made for a Vic64;)! In short. What Vue offers is when it comes to the views: You can get the most fancy stuff there is, or you can get almost nothing. There is nothing in between!