Ohh I havent given up on Vue yet. I just whant the re evaluate the alterantives. Vue has it plus as well as it's minus sides i will have to se what E-ONs answer is first. I'm also very dissapointed with the quality of imported .obj models as they look like crap compared to when I import the same model into other applications. I have no idea what Vue does to the .obj models but I often get strange render artifacts. The fact that it is a 3D scene creation/rendering also means that it must be able to handle 3D models ;) and as OpenGL working as it does this gets extremly frustrating. When turning of OpenGL i actually pretty god refresh rates but sometimes scenec only get partially redrawn and if I am to position something it get very frustrating. There is nothing wrong with the image output quality of Vue. I really like it. But if I where to chose between fast view refresh rates and fast image renders I would prefere fast views because when I make the scene up I have to sitt by the computer and I have to be able to se what I do. Image renders can be produced while I am asleep! It's not very likely that I throw Vue away. I will probably keep it and hope for a patch but if they have not fixed this in version 5 I will not upgrade. If I buy Bryce or not that I will have to see...