April no flame intended but think of what you said for one second, if I were to buy Michael 2 from Daz3d and then give or sell off the milman.obj as lets say milman.3ds .. I reformatted the obj into a 3ds file... therefore I modified it to allow it to be ran under 3d Max with no use of hadware plug-in ... I then give or sell it to someone running version 2 which allows 3ds files but not obj files and to my knowledge there is no plugin available for version 2. I just broke Daz3D/Zygote's copywrite infringement policy. Therefore I am in the wrong ... then the person who wanted it but couldn't use it so they didn't buy it knowing that it is Millenium Mike's geometry file, accepted goods knowingly and hence stole it from Daz3D/Zygote with me middle manning the situation. In a normal court of law within the United States, which Daz would be following due to it being an american company, american laws would be followed. Which means that both me and the person knowingly accepting it would be liable for whatever the judge deemed punishment, me for trafficing and he for accepting the end product through unpaid means. At least that is how I am seeing it. Dan