Oh, I knew that kieraw...after I posted my message, I realized that I had forgotten to mention this it's not totally DAZ's fault for not having that much available for Mike. They should talk with their brokered artists and see if they couldn't do more for Mike. If your going to have a product, at least support it. I know there is clothing and things for Mike, but they don't fit, at least not if you use the muscular morphs. And it's been way too long for the conforming clothing that was being done for Mike2 to come out. I know, they want to make sure it's right before releasing it but stuff for Vicky is always showing up at a regular pace. Come on VS, help me out here. I fell like I'm working in a hole that keeps getting deeper and deeper.