What I'm trying to do for the Lighthouse scene I'm working on is have very large crashing waves that almost totally engulf the Lighthouse. I can get the basic shapes of these waves but the spray never quite comes out right. The scene is from a photo sequince I saw a couple of years ago on the web and haven't been able to find it sence. I don't know how they got the photos and survive. They had to be completely mad to be out in a helocopter in a raging storm to get the shoots. The shoots were so dramatic that I can still see them very well from memory. I've seen other people pull it off so I know it can be done. More of a case where my skills aren't quite as good as they need to be. DM aka Nite Miner