Men used to dress like peacocks. Think of all those centuries full of lace and frills and bright-colored livery (over which the texturers could go crazy). Men used to be elegant. (How many ways to tie a cravat?) I would love something Baroque or Elizabethan or even REAL Gothic. And what about other fabrics? They drape differently. Brycetech has a neat way of doing fur, but has anybody made a fur-lined cloak or tall fur hat for the men? PS, I would kiss anybody who could do Saruman's robes (all 3 layers) and boots. Carolly