Here I have changed the lights, - and also the water color - AND turned the transparency of the water a bit down. I changed the reflection color of the water lilly and made the base colour darker... - still maintained some transparency of the lillies. My thoughts about props in general is that they should be SMALL in file size.. so these two (a single flower and the plant with lilly pads and flower) are both pretty small (the plant is a bit too large for my taste, - I might try to get the verticle count down). BUT I haven't made any texture maps or anything for them.. (smaller the better) I have grouped, and assigned colors to them in Poser, - so they turn up as they are now (I DID learn something geep, - even if I miss your tutorial! :) Now, - for the questions... **Light wizards:** How do you THINK when you think lights and colors... what would you have done differently in these pics. **Posers...** Props... what counts.. Does size matter? Would you like me to make texture maps, - or would you prefer them as is, - and play with the colors/reflection/transparency on the different parts of the prop, as I have done with the water lilly? **all:** Would this be an item in the free section?? Britt (PS... a render like this would need post work in Photoshop etc, - there is none of that now)