Now I like the second one the best. Also, now I know that I don't want to crop the framing, either. I love all the stuff that's surrounding them: the jars of jerky at upper left, the booze bottles on the shelf, the glowing bottles in the illuminated coolers; the stacks of shining glasses, the decorative beer tapper handles at upper right, the cash register - then in the forground is the mixed drink, and ashtrays on the bar top. ..And I love how the girl is hiding behind her big brother a bit. I think that there is extraordinary balance in this picture, especially considering that the sheer number of objects that were photographed could tend toward a cluttered appearence. My eye follows a comfortable, easy path - but keeps bringing me back to the people. I'm not kidding when I say that as I've spent hours studying this picture over just the last few days, I have gone through a turning point in my whole understanding of photography, and I can begin to see the direction that my work is taking. Thanks all, Joe