I didn't mean to kill this thread - by all means feel free to add you .02 in as long as you all like. I just was having trouble keeping up, people were posting before I finished responding :) BTW anyone who requested modern mens clothing - send me links for FREE catalogs (I'm poor) with pictures of the stuff you mean. Strangechilde I wasn't aware that PhilC's upgrade didn't actually fit the clothes to Mike. Yes that's annoying, isn't it. Uh Daz might have and I could prod Fairywood/poserworld - but I think that Phil's is the only one I've seen. Maybe SergeMarck could be convinced? Well I'll put it on the list, but don't hold your breath. We have more than enough to keep a whole team of modelers/texturers working fulltime for month, much less the two of us after hours. As far as sounding people out - its called market research. :) why bother making something to sell if noone will buy it? and also, no point in adding to a saturated market. So no heroes for me :) I'll stick with .... but that would be telling :) (and that's called advertising) Aint I stinker? Lyrra