Well the good news for older and larger ladies is CodeTwister's new Tailor program. Looks very promising once the intitial bugs are worked out. (never buy the first version of any program. trust me.) It matches morphs from bodies to clothing. Now isn't that nifty :) So watch out world - dumpy victoria is gonna... well sit home and eat icecream probably :) Okay - no berbie babes, no teenagers :) What do you call female wizards; priestess, witch, sorceress, enchantress, "Ma'am" Anzan and littledragon, Bloodsong has a very-tall-guy-in-a-yak-hair-suit (can't use the trademarked W**kie name) that has very well done full body hair. Once i get the @&%$%& transmap working he'll be out in freestuff. And under all that hair - who can tell gender? Lyrra