Jack D. Kammerer, You know nothing of my feelings, my attitudes. I respect other people's opinions as long as they don't swear at me, call me names, and threaten to come over to my house and finish the discussion. I don't rant and rave "shut the fuck up." I don't send IM's saying Fuck You. I at least attempt to have a meaningful dialogue where opinions may be expressed on both sides. I don't think I've ever seen Legume respond to anyone's disagreement in a civil manner. Gosh, should Legume or anyone else care about people who disagree with them? I thought Renderosity was a community where people come together with a common bond. I thought this was a positive bond, not an excuse to insult, persecute, threaten people and go running for help if someone stands up to you. Oh, and I thought there was a set of rules, called TOS (for short) that helped govern our behavior here. It seems you and others do your best to prove me wrong. *** MikeJ, ""Now who's a Nazi?" Hey, uhh, Ron, buddy, that's almost calling him a Nazi, which seems to me like a personal attack, so just watch it, OK?" Those are Legume's words. I clearly quoted them in my message. If you have a gripe with those words, go to the source. Ron