Thanks Roy... The ropes/cables are made from cylinders parented end to end, that I then created a figure from, so I could bend the whole arrangement any-which-way by rotating the cylinders. When I was happy with the shape I exported as an .OBJ and re-imported back to simplify. in the rope version of the figure I included IK chains so the rope could be posed in smooth curves/swathes from two end points. Rich _________________________________________________________ (with ref. to question at 3DC;"what the heck are rock climber's nuts" thought I'd add this just in case I get the same question here)... sorry 'bout the ambiguous description... should of thought...non-climber's wouldn't have a clue! ;) (bit of a minority-interest prop! hence asking if anyone's interested B4 I upload) these things are used as a means of fixing yourself to a rock.. the wedge-shape (of which there are many sizes/types) gets jammed into an available crack in the rock-face. the wireloop can then be clipped into with a karabiner...to which you attach your rope, (which should be) attached to you... a leader can scale a route, belayed from the bottom, adding any nuts required for protection as they ascend...should the leader fall, they should only fall as far as the last nut they placed.. they are called "nuts" because back in the "Old-Days" climbers would attach ordinary bolt-nuts (with the threads filed out) to bits of cable and use them for this purpose. they're also called "chocks" or as "runners"(when in complete assembly with karabiners), there are similar devices "hexes" (larger) and the more mechanical "friend" (which I am also making as props) included pic. of complete Screwgate-Karabiner...