And if there's anyone around here who knows how to be a real bastard when he wants to, it's Jack. So, you have been informed by one of the best. ;) Ron, all you need is time, and a desire to try to understand more about people, and I'm sure that trying to understand more about yourself wouldn't hurt. many of us, myself included, have been done a similar road as you in terms with our relationships with other people around here. But as time goes by, you begin to understand. There are several people here I din't used to think had anything valuable to say or contribute, or who I just plain didn't like, but...you learn. And, you get over it. And you make friends out of people who you once viewed as enemies. maybe, maybe not, but you learn how to conduct yourself around them, and you at least gain a certain degree of respect for them. It comes with trying to undersand the place, and the people. The nature of the internet makes it soooo easy to just spout off whatever you want to, but the reverse side is that others have the same ability. You don't have to "play along" or even agree in order to get along.