Well since we're having a dialog with the designer :) the worst he can say is no, and if we're lucky at this early stage it'll be easy enough for him to change things and not get cranky. And yeah, you don't often see a proper gentleman en deshabille, but it has to happen sometimes :) Now all we need is for someone to make that hair - I've yet to see a good waist or longer length hair model with good movement. maybe Anton's new tech idea (the fantasy beard) will do the trick. :) Lyrra