ronknights, I am sorry if I started something. The reason that I started with your tutorial is because I LIKED IT! I hope that you didn't think that I was putting down your tutorial because I am a newbie and I am just looking for all the help that I can get. I have looked through your tuts and I can say they are very easy to understand and I love when you include a graphic of the settings. I just wanted to say thanks and I hope that you don't leave. juju-b