Victoria, Mike, P4's are all tools in this case. Most of us here are hobbyists, not model makers, nor do we wish to be. We want to create and have fun, not spend months trying to make a human figure. That's what Poser (and Metacreations)is/was all about. You might as well condemn modern day painters for not raising the sheep, spinning the thread, and weaving the linen to be able to stretch their own canvases...so they can then begin painting. Is it wrong for a painter to buy pre-made canvases? No. Agent Smith

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