Well, since no one at admin seems to be interested in stepping up to the plate on this, I have a suggestion: BH, Bebop -- both of you: send me your light sets and I'll post a complete study on both -- dial settings, dimness settings, screen captures, the whole lot. Send the original files so I can see the creation and modification dates. I will be completely impartial on this because, quite frankly, you're both starting to piss me off with this. Now, if both of you want this settled once and for all, the offer stands. My e-mail is virtuasite@aol.com. Can't make it any simpler than that.