Terrible every time I hear that, but all of us Vue-ers know exactly what you mean. Do you think it was Vue's fault or Windows? Yep, save often is excellent advice for ALL software, but especially Vue. I hit thet "save" menu item every few minutes, or before I do something I think Vue might not like. Anyhow, like I've told others, my personal experience is that the 4.05-02 version ids the most stable so far, and I haven't had a crash at all yet, since upgrading. it's worth trying, because you can revert to 4.03 if you don't like it, via the "Back" folder which is created when you add a new patch. Well, I did just have some major Vue crashes-- first ones since updating-- but that was after I updated my 3DFX Voodoo 3 driver to the latest thing. Reverting to the original driver solved that problem, but Vue was the only program I have that couldn't deal with the new driver. It crashed instantly every single time I tried to select "wireframe" mode in any viewport. shrug