Yeah, that atmosphere one gets to me too. roadtoad, you could add that to the ongoing Vue 5 Wish List. I don't know if they're working on a Vue 5 yet, but before too long I'm planning on sending that along to them. Last year's wish list for Vue 4 ended up having something like 80% or more of our sugggestions put into Vue 4. That wasn't from here though, but rather, from the Yahoo Vue list.