LOL hey welcome... i feel like a kid on the first day of high school! can't wait to see everyone after summer vacation. what version of kai's do fractals.. i think it's 5... does the 'mandelbrot' type fractals and fractal flame i think. 3 does a wonderful organic pattern/texture thing that i use quite often as well when i am looking for textures like leather or skin. ummm http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=86809 is an ultrafractal fractal... i think a derivative of the spider-type fractals. that was a while back so i'de have to go look http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=139029 and that is xenodream ... wonderful for exploring too so, what programs do you use for your fractals? any suggestions for something to try out?