I miss C&D for the debates and the humor (some of which we still have in the Tavern, but somehow it's not quite the same, especially the debates). And yes, it's important to have a place for people to let off a little steam. You can't expect people to just not complain. Ain't gonna happen. BUT, most of the crap that's been locked here would be locked anywhere, and rightfully so. In fact, I would have locked most them much earlier in the game. Flame wars we don't need anywhere, be it here, C&D, or the Canoma forum (although it doesn't seem to be much good for anything else...;) I'd love to see C&D return, or at least something simliar, but NOT as another "wild west" free-for-all. Although I don't remember it ever being as ugly for as long as this forum has been recently... :(