sighs I know what you mean about losses that hurt the very soul BonBon. The thread where Russell and I first went to meet one another was in there, with all the people wishing us well. This place feels empty for me, souless and somehow dead now, without that there. C&D was alot more than just a troublemakers hangout, it was the heart and soul of this place for alot of us. I am so glad you son is doing better now, btw. I still pray for him and strength for you every day.