"shaking my head I really don't understand why so many people choose to believe everything willow or ian writes..Sighing" Storm, it's just that very condescending attitude that gets me POed. Why should I believe you or Jack either? Jack's statement about conditioning is the same kind of thing. Believe us, or you're brainwashed. I'm sorry folks, but that doesn't WASH. I like both forums, though I leaned heavily in the PFO's direction. However, if this kind of arrogant attitude is going to be the norm, then I'm gone too. I simply HATE arrogance. We get enough of it from our politicians, we don't need it here. Someone went too far, and I'm not entirely sure it was Willow or Ian. Greywolf