Sorry to blow my cool, Storm, but I lost a valuable resource. I have both Poser and Bryce, though I use Bryce more. The Bryce group here is DEAD compared to the one at the PFO. I liked the comments and help I got there, which, I hate to say, I rarely get here. The Poser forum offers lots of help and comments, but it's Bryce I'm learning at the moment. :) Greywolf (who's jets just ran out of fuel)