I wonder how you can laugh at that answer.... ;-) But I have some good news: I spend a lot of time today searching for reasonable prices in germany. I found two: http://www.computeruniverse.net/default.asp They only have Poser4 and not Pro pack. But Poser4 is listed at only 199 !! (not on stock and still lists metacreations as manufacturer, but apparantly it has been quite cheap once. Did mail them whether they could still deliver for that price, but I doubt it very much) But through the egisys site I found http://www.steckenborn.de They have Poser4 for 259 ($224)bruto and 224 netto Poser Pro Pack for 219 ($188) bruto and 189 netto Those prices are very good. Especially Pro pack. The german versions are even on stock. Shipping fees are also very reasonable. 7,42 to the Netherlands is actually lower then most online shops in the Netherlands charge for delivery within the Netherlands. Marc