Hey Richard, I just finished 12 hrs. work with Excell, and I don't feel like touch an additional work now.(3D or what ever) So just allow me a little break and some relaxation with this nonsens-thread, would you? If you're looking for 3D related topics, we have one of the best Lightwave Forum here and I think the other topic Fora are not bad too. If you want to sugest a new forum, I think the "Community Ideas Forum" is the best bet for that stuff. And it wasn't my intention to offend or insult anyone. I'm just fooling around. And I love France and I'm a really fan of Bordeaux and their wine :-). Cheers Thomas