Geep, I agree. I don't like it when folks put something in 'free stuff' but don't let you use it in renders that you would sell. Of course, if you create a model of say Bugs Bunny, and then put it in freestuff, and someone uses that in a commercial render, they open themselves up to a lawsuit as they are using someone else's copyrighted/trademarked creation for profit. But then again, when it's free, I can't really demand my money back. ben